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Don’t Invoke the Founding Fathers To Win An Argument

Often politicians from both parties invoke the founding fathers when engaged in modern political debates, and to my ears it always sounds grossly myopic.  Just today the republican Gary Johnson invoked the founding fathers in his refusal to go along with the majority of his party in pledging to oppose gay marriage rights.  Included in his rejection was the phrase, "The freedoms that our forefather­s fought for in this country are sacred and must be preserved.­"  And while that sounds on the surface like a fantastic reference to the founding fathers, it rings entirely hollow.

The founding fathers did not see women as equals, did not see black people as equals (discriminated against the free and kept the slaves in bondage), nor did they see people of various other nations as equals.  I find it impossible to believe, therefore, that men so willing to restrict the rights of others would have been in support of gay marriage; they would certainly not have considered that to be a right they had been fighting for.  I'd even go out on a limb so far as to say it seems far more probable that many of those esteemed men have abandoned the revolution had they been told that their rebellion would ultimately lead to interracial marriage, homosexual marriage, and women having the same rights as men.   So let's not invoke their names to support causes with which they never aligned themselves, nor imagine them to be more high minded than they actually were.  They did a very good thing in founding a nation with pretty words that took on prettier additional meanings over time, they should be given full credit for that, but for nothing more.

^ Quinxy

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  1. It is a really stupid quote, we’re trying to evolve, always improve and he wants to go backwards. I don’t know much about politics, honestly I feel like democrats and republicans are the same thing. My experience I’ve had with republicans makes me feel like they are brainwashed one generation after another by their parents. In this generation, my brother was a victim but I wasnt. I think my dad doesnt bother talking to me about politics because he knows I have strong opinions that are different than his, not because I’m a woman. lol

  2. With political issues I think the polar opposites come as close as they can without actually overlapping. I always imagine it in terms of a circle with a break in it and the extreme right and the extreme left are right there by the break, so nearly occupying the same space but not quite.

    In this case I don’t think Mr. Johnson was trying to take us back, so much as he was just selectively remembering the founding fathers and the beliefs they practiced when it came to equality, which excluded other races, genders, and no doubt many other groups that didn’t fit their view.

  3. sorry, I apparently would have understood that if my eyes werent skippiing in the first paragraph or if I had listened to the debate. =)

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