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4Apr/116

Reasons I Don’t Believe in God #99: JesusNeverExisted.com

The other day I stumbled across the site JesusNeverExisted.com and was blown away. The site is fantastic! It puts the words to my own rejection of Christianity and backs words with facts I only vaguely knew/suspected. The site and its author brilliantly attack the foundations of Christianity and its many claims through logical and historical arguments, most of the time using the church's own writings/teachings to make the points.  The site also offers fascinating contextual information about how the bibles were shaped, and upon what other documents and religions they were based.

I wanted to hate this site, when I first clicked the link to get there I expected the worst, the title being so "in your face".  Arguments against Christianity (from atheists, especially) usually feel exhaustingly and frustratingly religious (in their own way), without any real facts, but this site instantly had me hooked because it lays out the arguments and the facts so well (and the facts are often conflicting quotations from the bible).

This site is unlikely to convince any true believer that they have been mistaken, but it surely would give a nudge to someone already on the fence.

^ Quinxy

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  1. You have good guides for android but I dont really agree with your posts about God. If you have to go to a site to find reasons not to believe then isnt that a clue you are trying a little to hard. If you think that we are all here just to be here and roam the earth then you have much to learn my friend.

  2. We all look elsewhere to inform our position. You as a Christian presumably look to sermons on Sunday, fine Christian radio broadcasts, and books which extract and interpret the wisdom in the bible. You may know what you believe, but you want to have a belief which is built upon truth, built upon knowledge, and which encompasses the entire truth, not just that which we individuals may accomplish within ourselves. So you take in lots of information. I know what I believe, but I also listen to Christian radio, I also learn about other religions, I read up on some philosophy, etc. I want to know what truth is and am willing to explore in order to find it and to refine it. I’m happy that you have found a truth that makes you happy, that you feel strongly about. That’s great! As for roaming the earth… it’s less about roaming the physical earth than roaming the minds of all those upon the earth, searching for truth, knowledge, etc.

  3. I’m sure most people don’t need a web page to find reasons not to believe in a fable at the end of the day.

    I’d expect that Quinxy is simply offering one side of the discussion via a web link.

    The reasons for believing in any god actually existing would be exponentially far more onerous!

    I have to admit, I do like the notion put forward by Richard Dawkins:

    “We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.”

  4. I tend not to like Dawkins et al. for their tendency of smugness in their disbelief, but that is a mighty fine quote, and certainly true. One of my favorites is:

    “And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.” — Jefferson’s letter to John Adams, April 11 1823

    I always thought that was the relevant portion of the quote until I looked it up just now… and was surprised to see it follows with:

    “But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors.”

    So rather than being a quasi-areligious acknowledgement of the mythical nature of all religions it’s more of an acknowledgement that religions need not possess other-worldly qualities, which I certainly tend to agree with as well (see Zen Buddhism).

  5. I applaud your search for truth, and would advise expanding your method to including the most respected refuters of someone like Kenneth Humphreys to have both sides of the intellectual argument.

  6. Thanks, your suggestion turned me onto some YouTube videos such as James Patrick Holding and Ken Humphreys debating the topic. So far the videos I’ve been watching are enjoyable and interesting but don’t seem particularly persuasive for either side. What I do enjoy and respect is that a) the debates occur (Christians willing to engage in debate with agnostic/atheists and vice versa), b) the debates are respectful (they have strong differences of opinions but don’t seem hostile towards one another, beyond a very understandable frustration that the other might not agree with particular points of logic/fact). I’ll keep looking for other videos and texts. I forget what I said in my original post, and I’m in the middle of something and feel too tired to go reread myself, but I will just say that my own thoughts don’t hinge on Ken Humphreys’ particular position, alleged facts, etc. my emotional reaction to the non-nit-picky historical arguments was a one of kindred comfort, that “Ah yes, that was a logical argument I had thought of…” feeling. I may be wrong, he may be wrong, of course, but it’s a bit like favoring a sports team and being around others who do, too… It’s nice to feel you are not alone in your position. That doesn’t negate the importance of continually re-evaluating your position and being open to other ideas/facts, but I think it’s okay along that journey to take momentary comfort in the company of others whose paths your logic may meet.


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